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06 Jul 2016 09:11:22
-If Cavs want Wade and they want to clear up cap space, Kevin Love played himself out of high value and the Lakers can take in his contract without CLE having to take back a lot of money:
CAVS/ LAKERS: Julius Randle, rights to the 2018 pick if possible (Lakers draft for Cleveland and then send him to them in round 1) for Kevin Love
PG: D'Angelo Russell/ Clarkson
SG: Loul Deng/ Lou Williams
SF: Brandon Ingram/ Jerebko/ Brown
PF: Kevin Love/ Nance Jr/ (Auguste)
C: Timofey Mozgov/ Black/ Zubac
(Sign Jerebko (1Y) / Waive Young)
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2017 give Westbrook the max -- more to offer with fellow UCLA teammate in Love and I'm assuming the young core has a really great 2017 season too (Russell: 17/ 6/ 5, Ingram: 17/ 3/ 6, Clarkson: 14/ 3/ 4 off the bench)
PG: Russell Westbrook/ Clarkson
SG: D'Angelo Russell/ Williams
SF: Brandon Ingram/ Deng/ Brown
PF: Kevin Love/ Nance Jr/ (filler)
C: Timofey Mozgov/ Black/ Zubac
• This team is just as talent as GSW, experience with Dlo and Ingram would be the only reason they can't prosper
• Love returns to natural form aka the best stretch four in the league in Luke's system
• Small ball lineups with Deng at 3, Ingram at 4, Love at 5 are deadly.
1.) 06 Jul 2016 12:07:00
Honestly, for me, I don't want to mess with the young core, love is good, but he isn't good enough to get rid of the young talent we finally have. That's just my opinion tho.
2.) 06 Jul 2016 17:23:11
seriously- it's just Randle. You act like I suggested gutting the entire team and adding Love now makes a stronger case for Westbrook in 2017 unless you are fine with striking out on free agents. The true core is Russell-Ingram. Adding a pair of stars in Love and Westbrook with them and the Lakers are in a great position.
3.) 06 Jul 2016 18:01:53
01Lakers- First Randle has the potential of being just as good as Kevin Love. He isn't there yet and needs development. Now if the Cavaliers want to salary dump there is a charge for that. Kevin Love & a Cavaliers first round pick for Nick Young would be a fair salary dump charge. The Lakers get Kevin Love and have him there for Russell Westbrook to come and the Cavaliers dump something like $16M in salary. Why would the Lakers or any team for that matter want to take on a struggling Kevin Love and his salary just so the Cavaliers can get richer with Wade and Lebron together. If Wade and Lebron want to play together they should take less money then.
4.) 06 Jul 2016 18:26:06
No tardes. Keep the young core together. I wonder if we should try wade tho. I would pay him 25 x 2 easily. He is a great player, adds experience and he would fit perfectly.
5.) 06 Jul 2016 19:01:48
I really don't see why all this love for this young core especially Randle. He plays no Deposit can't shoot but whatever. If they can trade mozgov and a pic for Cousins do it. I'm not big on Love but if LA can get him with or without trading Randle do that. I wouldn't trade Ingram nor Clarkson especially for Westbrook. You got to realize no FA went there because they see no talent so you got to make a trade getting someone to draw better players
6.) 06 Jul 2016 19:18:59
@ city dude / Potential is a touchy word because not every player reaches it. Please take a moment to take off your "I love losing" glasses and realize why Kevin Love has been struggling. Did you watch the 2012-2014 Heat at all, when Lebron minimized Bosh's versatility and talents? Lebrons play makes big men float on the perimeter and takes away their post play and mid range. Love in a free flowing Luke system will thrive. Randle will never be the shooter Love is and that's even if he reaches his potential. Love has natural talent you can't teach. Even if Lebron takes a pay it, mr. know-it-all, Cavs only have 3.4M in space and cannot sign any additional players.
7.) 06 Jul 2016 20:07:51
01Lakers- I don't love to see the Lakers lose. Development is part of the game and can take years to get the chemistry put together. We already did quick fixes with Dwight Howard and Steve Nash. Where did that lead us? First round exit and the Nash being injured. Now your saying Randle will never be the shooter Love is. True however he can still develop an outside shot that can be good enough for the team. Got to remember we have Ingram & Deng now that can provide outside shooting. The main thing we need from Randle is rebound, good defense and drive to the basket. I am not downing Kevin Love's game. He is a good player especially if he is put into a situation where there is no 2 star players that demand the ball. The problem is I wouldn't give up young core assets of the Lakers for him just so the Cavaliers can make a super team. Yes that is correct if Lebron made $28M and Wade made $3.4M it would work. Either Lebron and Wade made $15M each to play together or give up Kevin Love for Nick Young. Buy Nick Young out. Renounce JR Smith and that is how the Cavs free up say $20M. Then the Cavs will have enough to give Wade a $20M salary and make Lebron happy with his salary as well.
8.) 07 Jul 2016 04:50:47
Luke Walton wants to shoot threes I like this lineup
14 Jun 2016 20:18:35
I came up with this lineup
Russell/ Clarkson
Hield (2, Nance for 4, Chandler)
Durant
Horford/ Randle
Chandler
main response:
1. Why trade Ingram and Nance for Chandler's "bad contract" and the 4th
-No I am not a troll. My point of view is this:
Lakers will go after Durant and other big names. That's a fact. If it waste their time, it doesn't matter because LA will still go after the big names. Do you think big names want to play with young/ skinny/ unproven Ingram? Or Buddy Hield who is mature/ works out with Kobe/ has gotten a lot of praise from Durant and Durant even went to a few OK games. Lakers could draft Hield at 2 or they can shop Ingram's potential.
Nance would not be necessary if you move Randle to the bench to back up Horford. On top of that, please do not overrate Nance. His defense was okay on a horrible defensive team. He has flashy dunks but you don't get those every game and his rebounding is basic apart from where he had 10+ in back to back games. That's not a big loss to replace Nance off the bench with Randle off the bench. Small ball would not require Nance either because Russell/ Hield/ Durant/ Randle/ Horford would be the lineup or Clarkson at 3 and Durant at 4 and Randle again comes off the bench.
Lastly, Chandler's contract is 12 million next season. Let's go over some things: Chandler is a champion, ex all star. He's never played a full 82 in his career but he shows up in the playoffs and has great leadership and IQ. He's 33-34. He has 2 years left. Last season, check how great his production was when he played 25-30 plus. He makes great decisions and will be a great mentor for Thon Maker. Now, the Lakers can pay Whiteside 15-20 million if they like, then watch him make a few poor decisions on and off the court in Los Angeles/ Hollywood. He can get us some blocks, he can grab some rebounds but he doesn't bring leadership nor maturity to a young team in your beloved Russell/ Clarkson/ Ingram/ Randle/ Whieside lineups. Bogut on Golden State is constantly overlooked as a defender because he isn't getting as many blocks as Whiteside or rebounding. But Whiteside, if you watch him and not the stat sheet, never guards his own man. He is a good help defender. Cousins, Favors, Gobert, LMA, Kanter, Deandre Jordan. Those are all centers/ big men in the west who Whiteside would go against. Did I mention he hardly guards his own man well? These guys will have a field day with Whiteside on them.
Demarcus Cousins available when Chandler's contract is up.
1.) 14 Jun 2016 21:16:13
I disagree with your thoughts about whiteside. I think it's just stupid to say he doesn't guard his own man. I see where you're getting at, yeah he is indeed a good help defender because that's his job. HE DEFENDS THE PAINT, not just his man but whoever on his team gets beat along the paint. So obviously, u can't really blame whoever is helping on defense, that's why commentators usually say " help the helper" because their man gets open when they help.
2.) 14 Jun 2016 22:00:49
Its nice to dream and talk Durant but let's be honest here we shouldn't be hopeful that Durant is coming to the Lakers. Lakers need to focus on rebuilding. If Durant wants to entertain the possibility of coming to LA cool. I am doubtful though. Chandler is on the decline and doesn't come close to the value of what Whiteside can bring on the defensive end. He is a rim protector and a shot blocker. The best in the league as far as I am concern. So yes I would rather pay Whiteside $15M average per year and have Ingram than trade for Chandler and Buddy Hield. On top of that the Lakers have no room for Hield. Do you think he is coming off the bench? No. Do you think Clarkson will take a bench role for Hield? Probably not him but somebody with more experience like a DeRozan.
3.) 14 Jun 2016 23:41:52
We are giving up a better pick and a young, versatile player for a pick 2 spots down and someone who is reaching the end of his career. If we are making a trade of 2nd and nance I want the 4th and Booker.
4.) 15 Jun 2016 14:42:12
My point of view is this:
- both hield and Ingram are rookies. Therefore they are both unproven, and out of the two I, and most laker fans, would take the 6'9" 19 year old with two way potential over a 22 year old shooter which u can find all over the league. Oh and hield isn't going to attract Durant. Don't be silly.
-you are under rating nance. From about Christmas onwards he was nursing an injury and the coaching staff shut him down for back to backs and reduced minutes. When he was given consistent game time, there wasn't much he wouldn't do for the team on the court. He's not going to be an all star, or even a starter maybe, but his versatility and his ability to do the dirty work, on a cheap contract and still have 10 years left in the league is much more enticing than a 30+ year old chandler.
- which leads me to my next point. At this point of chandlers career, I would much rather pay someone like Ezeli the 10-12 mil a year who is just as good as chandler at defense at this point in time. We can find veterans in free agency if we need to but giving up youth at this point of our rebuild would be dumb.
Cheers
14 Jun 2016 06:04:51
(2) Brandon Ingram
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(Trade) pick 2 Brandon Ingram, Larry Nance Jr, Nick Young to Phoenix for pick 4 and Tyson Chandler
----salaries have to be similar, there is a 5-6 million difference without the prominent signing of Ingram and a 3 million dollar signing with. Lakers over cap until 7/ 1----
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(4) Buddy Hield
(32) Thon Maker
(Sign) Kevin Durant to a 4 year 110 million contract, Al Horford to 3 year 64 million contract, Gerald Green 2 years, 7 million
(Re-sign) Jordan Clarkson to a 3 year 45 million contract that places the team over the cap
Huertas, Black, Sacre
PG: D'Angelo Russell/ Clarkson/ Huertas
SG: Buddy Hield/ Williams
SF: Kevin Durant/ Green/ Brown
PF: Al Horford/ Randle/ Maker
C: Tyson Chandler/ Black/ Sacre.
1.) 14 Jun 2016 07:16:07
Why the hell would you trade Ingram and Nance Jr for the 4th pick and an awful Chandler's contract?
2.) 14 Jun 2016 07:43:23
What? Why? I swear people come from different teams to troll. Or it shows how idiotic our fan base can be.
3.) 14 Jun 2016 08:18:53
Lakerwaker - which is why I will be glad when the draft and free agency are over with.
10 Jun 2016 07:13:07
-pick 2 Brandon Ingram, pick 32 Thon Maker
-trade pick 2 Brandon Ingram and D'Angelo Russell, Lakers 2020 pick for Paul George
-sign Clarkson before anyone makes an offer so that the contract will payout about 10 million per for the next 3 years---3 years 28-30 million
-make Al Horford an offer for for 4 years 88 million
-make Harrison Barnes an offer for 3 years, 54 million
-sign with MLE/ hometown discount Brandon Jennings
-sign 1 year 4 million Matt Barnes (he will bring toughness and will do the dirty work. His hustle hard style of play should rub off on the second unit)
-using bird rights, resign the following: Huertas, Bass, Sacre
-trade Nick Young to the Bucks who will need an OJ Mayo replacement. In return, Lakers get a future second round pick and some cap relief.
PG: Jordan Clarkson/ Jennings/ Huertas
SG: Paul George/ Williams
SF: Harrison Barnes/ Barnes/ Brown
PF: Julius Randle/ Nance Jr. / Maker
C: Al Horford/ Bass/ Sacre
-Clarkson and Randle are the only defensive liabilities in the starting lineup. I expect improvement from both of them next season.
-easily the second best team in the west behind golden state and that's even if Durant resigns with OKC. Lakers have more depth and versatility than OKC.
*Westbrook and Chris Paul will be a free agents in 2017, Lakers can trade Clarkson if he underperforms at point guard and clear some room to sign Westbrook.
1.) 12 Jun 2016 21:00:56
make all trade you ve to do BUT don t touch Angelo
and you think they will trade 2 number 2 for Paul George and you are not sure to win this year , I prefer to suck 3 year again
your team is good but 2 number 2 is too much
maybe ingram + another name
or don t trade
you can keep this line-up sg jc and sf barnes OR put barnes 6.8 sg and ingram 6.10 or 9 .
igram is SF but he play SG when they ask him . cause he is very good shooter!
08 Jun 2016 19:25:50
Another idea the Lakers probably won't do but should consider:
-draft with pick 2: Brandon Ingram - projected 2 pick
-draft with pick 32: Thon Maker - projected 34 pick
***trade pick 2/ Brandon Ingram for Jusuf Nurkic and the Nuggets 7th pick: draft Buddy Hield - projected 6 pick
[] Hield is projected to go to NOLA, who has Tyreke Evans at SG for 2-3 years. I don't see them taking another guard, they really need a small forward so Jaylen Brown, projected 7th pick will be a better pick.
[] Lakers get a center and a 4 year college player who won't be immature and can score the ball. He's also Kobe approved. Nurkic is a excellent pick and roll defender and protects the rim. His contract is low and the excelling of Jokic would make him expendable.
-signee 1: Kevin Durant to a 4 year 110 million max contract
-signee 2: Al Horford to a 4 year, 80 million deal
-signee 3: Evan Turner to a 2 year, 9 million deal
-resignees: Jordan Clarkson to a 3 year, 54 million deal
also: Marcelo Huertas, Robert Sacre
PG: D'Angelo Russell/ Clarkson/ Huertas
SG: Buddy Hield/ Williams
SF: Kevin Durant/ Bazemore/ Brown
PF: Al Horford/ Randle/ Maker
C: Jusuf Nurkic/ Nance Jr/ Sacre
[] A lot of offensive power and defense balance.
[] Count Buddy as a vet, think about the maturity and development of a 4 year college player and remember Lillard's "rookie" season. A triple double his first few games. Playoffs.
[] The bench is basically a low budget starting lineup on other teams. The depth is what will carry this team to a top 5 seed
[] Can compete with the Warriors with scoring and bench depth. That's what Durant wants. OKC only had scoring from Durant and Westbrook. Anyone except for Nurkic, can hit a 3 with easy on this lineup. Luke will make this team at least a 50 win team.
1.) 08 Jun 2016 20:37:11
Absolutely not!!
2.) 08 Jun 2016 23:25:13
Buddy Hield has been projected to go 3rd to Celtics and even if the Celtics don't take him I doubt he slips past the Suns at 4th. let's put that aside. I wouldn't have done the deal anyway. Ingram fits a need for the Lakers which is defense and a player that can drive to the basket or hit a jump shot. Scoring is not an issue and wouldn't be an issue with Durant on the team.
3.) 09 Jun 2016 08:47:19
I think buddy heild will slip to the 5th spot. Celtics have their sights on Bender and the Suns do not need another SG because they have Devin Booker already, therefore they should select Jaylen Brown.
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30 Jun 2016 22:08:49
Can't get meetings with: Whiteside, Durant
Have a phone call meeting with: Batum
Have interest in: Ryan Anderson, Conley, Horford, Parsons, Derrick Williams
Lakers are likely to strike out this year but they should definitely do this move if they do:
-fire Mitch, force Jim to step down
-hire Brian Paugas (works with Spurs under RC Buford for 9 years) for GM, bring in Magic for VP (you may not like it but Magic has the charisma and energy and he's 1000 times more like able than Jim Buss. He's respected by a wide spread of people and already owns the Dodgers. He's a hero in LA)
If we want to attract anyone in free agency 2017 we have to be better this season.
-trade D'Angelo Russell, Lou Williams, Larry Nance Jr., rights to the Lakers 2018 pick (lakers draft for Chicago in 2018) for Jimmy Butler
-sign Al Horford to a max contract, re-sign Jordan Clarkson, sign Brandon Jennings and Ryan Anderson with remainder of money
-claim Jarret Jack off waivers
-re-sign Tarik Black, Huertas
PG: Jordan Clarkson/ Jack/ Huertas
SG: Jimmy Butler/ Jennings
SF: Brandon Ingram/ Brown
PF: Julius Randle/ Anderson
C: Al Horford/ Zubac/ Black
Positions the Lakers for a run at Westbrook or Chris Paul in 2017: Westbrook - Butler - Ingram - Randle - Horford.
1.) 01 Jul 2016 01:26:30
This is very bad for the Lakers if Hassan Whiteside is rejecting a meeting with the Lakers at a possible max contract offer. Firing Mitch is not the answer. The answer is to develop the young core and hope Ingram becomes a star. Once the salary cap increased and everybody has extra money all these A & B quality free agents just want to sign with playoff teams.
2.) 01 Jul 2016 01:51:15
I agree with but you should trade JC , RANDLE , lou for jimmy bulter .
But I prefer PAUL GEORGE than J Bulter
PG: D Angelo
SG: Bulter
SF: Ingram
PF: Anderson
C : horford if he come , or sign Gazol and Ezeli
16 Jun 2016 21:07:02
-draft Brandon Ingram at 2.
-draft Brice Johnson at 28. (send 32 pick, 2017 2nd round pick, Nick Young, cash considerations to Phoenix for pick 28. Phoenix has 3 first round picks and I'm sure they don't want to use 33 million of their cap to pay 3 first rounders. Johnson is a predicted 27-31 pick)
-trade D'Angelo Russell and Julius Randle for Jimmy Butler. (Fair enough for Butler without giving up Ingram who I see has more potential than Russell and Randle on both ends of the floor. They get somewhat established players in return)
-sign Mike Conley to a 4 year, 75 million contract
-sign Al Horford to a 3 year, 70 million contract
-offer Ryan Anderson the full mid level (with cap increase, this can be a deal near 10-15 million)
-sign Chase Budinger to a 2 year, 6 million deal (second year player option, he just needs a small deal to redeem himself)
-re:sign Jordan Clarkson, Marcelo Huertas, Robert Sacre
PG: Mike Conley/ / Clarkson/ / Huertas
SG: Jimmy Butler/ / Williams
SF: Brandon Ingram/ / Budinger/ / Brown
PF: Larry Nance Jr/ / Anderson
C: Al Horford/ / Johnson/ / Sacre
-coaching system taken into consideration and the lack of defensive liabilities in the starting lineup, this can be a high scoring, versatile 3rd seed. Depth will allow them to make a good playoff run.
-Clarkson, Ingram, Nance, Johnson still great pieces to build with or around.
-Butler, Conley, Horford all 27-28 years of age at start of 2017 season.
06 Jul 2016 19:18:59
@ city dude / Potential is a touchy word because not every player reaches it. Please take a moment to take off your "I love losing" glasses and realize why Kevin Love has been struggling. Did you watch the 2012-2014 Heat at all, when Lebron minimized Bosh's versatility and talents? Lebrons play makes big men float on the perimeter and takes away their post play and mid range. Love in a free flowing Luke system will thrive. Randle will never be the shooter Love is and that's even if he reaches his potential. Love has natural talent you can't teach. Even if Lebron takes a pay it, mr. know-it-all, Cavs only have 3.4M in space and cannot sign any additional players.
06 Jul 2016 17:23:11
seriously- it's just Randle. You act like I suggested gutting the entire team and adding Love now makes a stronger case for Westbrook in 2017 unless you are fine with striking out on free agents. The true core is Russell-Ingram. Adding a pair of stars in Love and Westbrook with them and the Lakers are in a great position.
12 Jun 2016 05:46:25
Lakers fan 4 life,
As if your misuse of "to" and "affective" weren't enough to dispel your case, please understand Cousins played with Rondo last year who is a very hands on/ball dominant point guard, along with Rudy Gay who is another ball dominant player at times. Cousins still managed to play his game and make an all star team. Secondly, just because a player does not play defense does not mean that said player is ball dominant. Terribly flawed logic for a basketball fan. Jordan Clarkson, D'Angelo Russell, Julius Randle are players of our own who do not defend and I wouldn't call them ball dominant players. They were in a poor offensive system but not ball dominant.
08 Jun 2016 06:37:25
Lakers fan, Randle is not a stretch four nor the guy that the Lakers need in a offensive system that requires a lot of 3 point shooting. Luke will be implementing an offense that has the Lakers shooting and passing. Love is a better passer and shooter than Randle and can be a double double machine as well. Randle has athleticism over Love but he will not be the shooter love is.
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